SE 35 WATT MONO BLOC

This page edited June 2017..

2 x 35W amps on bench, 2004.

These SE35 mono blocs were built for a very discerning customer who wanted high levels of undistorted
sound with two large modern floor standing speakers, the VAF I-66, rated for about 90 dB/W/M.
He was amazed at the precision and detail these amps offered.

Most "high power" make 22W with one large expensive single triode such as 845, 211, GM70, 13E1 and for
higher Po there are 2 paralleled 845 for up to 55W. I found I could easily get 35W from 4 x EL34 or 6CA7.
I did build one 60W SE amp with 6 x 6550 all paralleled. I did not meet many people who needed more than
35W per channel, but I did work for those few who wanted more power, but who did not need it, but who had
the money to pay for it.

The SE35 have a brass chassis with aluminium top plate. Power supply PT and OPT are within a steel box
behind the tubes. The steel gives some magnetic shielding to circuitry under tubes at amp front. The top-plate
and the bottom cover plate is well drilled for ventilation to allow rising cool air around the output tubes.
No printed circuit boards are used, so there is no obstruction to easy air flow so necessary to keep all tube
amps cool.
All transformers use GOSS + I lams with very generously sized cores to prevent high temperature rise in
the PT ( power transformer ) and to get blameless bass performance from the OPT ( output transformer )
Without any NFB, the OPT response at full power to the rated load is from 20Hz to over 70kHz. The response
with NFB is shown in the graphs below. Weight is approximately 25Kg per chassis.

The power supply has Si solid state rectifiers for B+ with a simple CLC filter for the B+ anode supply Vdc.
There is a shunt regulated +Vdc screen supply. The output tubes have Vac for heaters but input tubes have
R&C filtered DC heaters.
Cathode biasing with separate R&C networks on each output tubes gives good automatic bias current regulation
and there is no need to use accurately matched EL34 or 6AC7. There are no bias adjustment screws which will
confuse many owners.

The input tube is SET 12AU7 with both sections paralleled. Driver tubes are EL84/6BQ5 strapped as a triode,
in SET mode. The right front tube is a 12AX7 in cathode follower mode to act as a buffer after the input signal to
drive a switchable frequency low pass input input filter to allow variable cut off frequencies for bi-amping.
This buffer stage is not needed where bi-amping is not required. It was found to be sonically transparent.

The original owner wanted an 8585 for bass and SE35 for midrange and treble. The input of 8585 had a variable F
filter to remove midrange and treble. The SE35 had switchable F filter to remove bass so that the effective power
ceiling for SE35 was made much higher without having to produce bass signals. Thus intermodulation distortion
is much lower. However, although bi-amping is ideal in theory, I found that for the listening levels wanted there was
no need to bi-amp, and SE35 or 8585 could be used alone for everything that was needed for a large full range floor
standing speaker.
The input cathode follower also allowed use of a "passive" preamp, which in this case was a Vishay high grade
switched resistance attenuator. There are virtually no HF losses because input resistance of the cathode follower
is so high and with very low input capacitance.

The schematic shows some unusual techniques to reduce the normally very high THD measurements with any
SE amps to levels more normally seen with good PP amps, especially within the first 10W.
THD is less than 0.1% at any load between 3 and 12 ohms for up to 10W. Most other SE amps cannot achieve this.
I am using low amounts of local cathode feedback in the output stage in what is called the "Acoustical connection"
and low amount of global negative feedback from the speaker secondary to the input triode cathode. The total
amount of local and global NFB is less than 20dB.

A more detailed description follows with schematics.

Sheet 1, Power amp schematic.
Sheet 2, Power supply.
Sheet 3, Protection.

SHEET 1 - 2004, POWER AMP SCHEMATIC.

This schematic was used in 2004. In June 2017, have re-drawn the previous untidy hand drawn sketch from 2004.
I have included slight increase to Iadc in V2 and V4 with a few R values changed to allow this.

Input is fed into the high input resistance of V1 12AX7 cathode follower with its output driving a switchable cut off
low pass first order RC filter with F settings for -3db at 7Hz, 50Hz, 140Hz, 510Hz, and 1,020Hz.
R6, R7 form a divider to set the sensitivity of the amp to match a bass power amp, so that equal voltages are sent
to bass and treble speakers designed for use with a normal single amplifier.
The tube line up in the power amp is V2 = 2AU7, V3 = 12BH7.
12BH7 did work well, but 6BQ5 / EL84 works and sounds better.......

SHEET 1- 2011, power amp schematic.

The 2004 power amp schematic with adjustable high pass filter was revised in 2011 because of interest by DIYers
around the World. Just about everyone wanted the amp without a built-in HPF.
I have re-drawn the schematic in 2017 using Arial font and have made a few things easier to understand.

V2 is a paralleled 12AU7 with a transistor MJE350 for anode dc supply with extremely high ac impedance aka
CCS, or constant current dc supply. This minimizes V2 THD, important because any 2H will *add* to the 2H of
the output stage. V3 is EL84 in triode with 50H L1 + 8k2 to feed Iadc. This gives gain of about 18, near the
triode µ for EL84. The EL84 Ra is about 2k2 and it works better than 12BH7 with higher THD, Ra = 3k0, and
gain about 11.

V4 to V7 are 6CA7 shown in picture but can be EL34.
The 4 x EL34 having Ikdc = 270mAdc, thus generating
Ek = about +18Vdc with total of 4 parallel Rk = 60r plus 12.5% of primary wire resistance, about 6r, so 66r total.
4 x 6L6GC / 6550 / KT88 / KT90 / KT120 could be used, but for the same Ea = +350V and Eg2 = +270V, the
bias between grid and cathode must be larger for the same Ia as for EL34. Thus a -15Vdc supply with an adjust
pot could feed bottom of resistor R17 68k. This allows -Vdc grid bias estimated at about -32Vdc, for the same Iadc.
The existing Rk + Ck will not need to be changed and will work to self regulate the Iadc.
if 6L6GC are used, idle Iadc and Ig2 should be kept the same as for EL34. For 6550-KT90 etc, total idle Pda and
Pdg2 for each tube not exceed 26W, for 104W for the 4 tubes. For total 104W, expect 96W for Pda, Iadc = 274mA,
with Pdg2 about same as EL34. The OPT primary will withstand the higher Idc. The load for max Po with Ia =
274mA is 1,150r, with secondary loads becoming 1r2, 2r6, 4r6, 7r2, 10r4. None of these loads are any better
than with Ia kept as the schematic shows, so the idea of change to 6550, KT88, KT90, KT120 would
be an act of vanity, IMHO.

The OPT I made For SE35W has :-
Wasteless E+I lams, T44mm x S62mm, L66mm x H22mm. I recorded air gap = 0.87mm
using 0.43mm air gap material across the whole 132mm x 62mm area between E and I, because
there are two gaps in the ML path around each winding window.

Interleaving pattern is basically 4Sec x 3Pri sections. Primary has 16 layers at 122tpl of 0.45mm
Cu dia wire, 0.516mm oa dia, with 3 anode winding sections of 5 layers, 4 layers, and 5 layers.
These are wound between 4 Sec sections with a total of 6 layers of 62tpl of 0.9mm Cu dia wire.
The 4 Sec sections are :-
Section 1 = 1 layer of 2 x 31t,
Sections 2 and 3 = 2 layers of 62t each,
Section 4 = 2 layer of 2 x 31t.

Between the two layers of Sec sections 2 and 3, there is one layer of primary winding devoted to
12.5% of local cathode feedback in the output stage.
So the wire layer build up in bobbin can be described :-
S-p-p-p-p-p-S-k-S-p-p-p-p-S-k-S-p-p-p-p-p-S.

"S" = Sec layer, "p" = primary layer in anode circuit, "k" = primary layer in cathode circuit.
0.4mm polyester insulation is between all S to p interfaces, and 0.05mm between p to p layers
and also between S to k interfaces. The placement of CFB windings between sec layers was an
experiment which worked well, but no better than where I more commonly placed CFB layers
between grouped anode layers a Sec layers and with the same 0.4mm insulation.

Total RwP+S = 10.3% of anode load.
Rwp is 4.5% of total Rw, RwS is 5.8% of total Rw.
RwP for 16 layers of anode and cathode windings = 62r.
Where OPT is strapped for 1,952t : 3 // 124t for nominal 1,239r : 5r0 loading, the Sec RwS
= 0.326r, which appears at primary as ZR x RwS = 247.8 x 0.326r = 81r, so total RwP+S at
primary = 62r + 81r = 143r, and the total anode load = nominal 1,239r + 143r = 1,382r.
Total winding loss = 100% x 143r / 1,382 = 10.3%.

So where there is 35W at output at Sec, the tubes
make 38.5W to primary, and 3.5W is lost as heat in the winding resistance. This is unavoidable in all
transformers, and can only ever be minimised, and to get lower losses involves exponential increase
in OPT weight. Resistance does not cause THD or IMD in this case, and 10% loss is actually quite
a good result for SE OPTs which always have higher Rw losses than PP amps where good design
principles have been used. The Primary idle current density = 1.51A / sq.mm, less than 2.0A, so quite
OK, with 3.5W of heating in the primary wire which is within a large enough volume of core to not give
high temp rise. Primary RwP loss is less than Sec RwS loss which is correct for SE amps where
high Idc flow is in all Primary turns.

The nominal anode load is about 1k3 for maximum Po, but can vary between 900r and 2k6 with speaker
load variations. Nominal secondary load = 5r0 for maximum power. So in effect, each of the 4 output tubes
sees anode load = 5k0.
2 primary layers of 16 total layers of primary are used in series between cathode and 0V to give 12.5%
local CFB to EL34. This reduces pure pentode THD from about 9% at 35W to 2%, and reduces effective
anode resistance to less than triode. The OPT CFB is equivalent to about 8dB local NFB with 5r0 at output.
Global NFB = about 10db, so total NFB with 5r0 output load = 18dB.

The THD of output stage is mainly 2H and is "cancelled" by THD produced by triode driver stage.
This is a natural phenomena due to the relative phases of 2H of the two stages, and their relative levels
between low Po and maximum Po.
The output EL34 with CFB require up to about 45Vrms drive to their grids, and 2H produced by EL84 or
any other triode driver will have similar % level. The inevitable 2H of driver reduces 2H in output EL34,
and 2H at amp output is reduced to very low levels. This is not an easy issue to fully understand.

Most SE pentode or beam tetrode tube output stages may be used with a range of loads below and above
the "nominal value RL", ie, in this case, 5r0. For RL below centre value, 2H produced has the same relative
phase as a triode. The lowest usable RL with an SE amp is 1/2 the centre RL, ie, 2r5 in this case. Max Po is
less than 35W, and THD may be higher but it is where max 2H cancellation occurs. For RL well above 5r0,
the EL34 make oppositely phased 2H, so no cancellation occurs. However, the higher RL make EL34 subject
to much more dB of local CFB so THD with 15r0 remains low without reliance on 2H cancellations.

While strange behavior occurs with 2H production relative to load value, there is maximum 3H with low RL,
and 3H declines gradually as RL increases between usable RL  of 2r5 to 15r0. This 3H is unavoidable in
SE pentode and beam tubes, but it is not any higher than what occurs in a class A1 PP amp. The 3H is also
much reduced by the CFB connection. 3H generated in EL34 output stage cannot be cancelled by 3H in
EL84 triode driver stage 3H is so low.

Now in all TRIODE SE amps using a triode OP tube such as a single 300B or triode strapped 6550, KT88
the 2H Vac produced by each stage has the same relative phase between 2H and fundamental frequency
for all RL values. Therefore 2H cancels with all load values. But a typical triode output stage has no CFB
and typically produces 5% 2H at near clipping. The triode driver stage may produce about 2% 2H when the
OP tube clips. If you built a driver stage to make 5% 2H, it would also produce much other HD, and IMD,
so its pointless to make a non linear driver stage just to make 2H cancel.
So with a well functioning SE triode driver stage, its 2% 2H is amplified by the OP tube to produce an
oppositely phased 2H signal so that overall 2H at output = 5% - 2% = 3% 2H. This is not a bad phenomena
and occurs in all SET amps. There are some low level IMD harmonics products called "second order products"
produced, but they remain low enough to be ignored in this discussion.

With CFB used in a pentode or beam tube OP stage, the same cancellation occurs where the OP tube 2H is
the same phase relative to fundamental F, and for RL below the centre value. But the CFB reduces the OP tube
2H to say 2%, and the driver tube produces 2% 2H, and at this point the overall 2H level can be close to zero.
It never ever reaches zero because slight relative 2H phase differences between driver and OP stage.
But the amount of natural 2H cancellation is highly useful in bettering fidelity.

Graph 1. 2H Cancellation.


These graphs of RL vs THD are difficult to understand because nobody else bothers to ever draw such graphs.

The thickest lines are a set of 4 curves for CFB operation at power levels between 0.25W and 16W.

There are 4 thin line curves for the same OP tubes used in SEUL at power levels between 0.25W and 16w.

At 0.25W, SEUL amp produces 0.15% THD into 2r0 which reduces to 0.08% for 4r5, and to 0.04% for 16r0
for 0.25W.

At 0.25W, the CFB amp produces 0.1% THD into 2r0, which reduces rapidly to 0.014% at 4r5, and then rises
to equal the SEUL level at 7r6, and rises further to 0.09% at 16r0.

Now for both SEUL and CFB amps, the THD for 0.25W is less than 0.15% for any load between 2r0 and 16r0.
This is a good result for any SE amp. Most of the HD will be 2H in general, and resulting IMD is negligible.

But the CFB amp has more reduction of 2H with RL between 3r0 and 7r0 and for a nominal 4r0 speaker,
THD for the CFB amp = about 1/4 of the THD from SEUL amp.

The null of THD seen in CFB curves is all due to 2H being very much reduced with the remaining HD being
mainly 3H. Other odd number H are very low at 0.25W and 1W levels and these do not rise significantly until
10W is reached. The CFB amp gives less THD even with a nominal 8r0 speaker.

Most of the power in the audio band is between 100Hz and 500Hz where often there is low speaker
impedance and high current, and it is in this region the CFB amp copes better than the SEUL amp.

The other benefit with CFB is that most of the THD reduction occurs in the OP stage, and any signal fed
back to an earlier input stage has less THD content, so less IMD products are produced by non-linearities
in the input or driver stages.

The curves above were recorded from the 2004 amp version with 12BH7 driver. The amount of 2H in any
chosen driver tube such as 12AU7, 6CG7, 12BH7 or EL84 will vary, and this changes the position of the
nulls on the curves. As the driver tube becomes more linear, the null position occurs at a higher RL.
The lower THD and IMD with CFB does not seem to fully explain the improved fidelity heard from the SE35.
The use of the EL84 probably contributes much to the sonic fidelity because it produces such a small amount
of THD/IMD compared to other driver triodes with lower Ia. I have found both EL84 and EL34 in triode to be
extremely fine driver tubes. I've found the use of EL84 as PP driver stages in my PP amps to be superior to
other smaller twin triodes. It was for this reason that I changed from 12BH7 to EL84.

In 2009, I made a headphone amp with EL84 in triode with a small OPT and driven with 6CG7.
The amp was integrated, and could be used to be a very fine line level preamp.

The HD spectra for 4r5 has some 2H, but it is mostly 3H. There is also 4H, 5H, etc in diminishing quantities
which only increase greatly at the onset of clipping. The higher H artefacts are mostly hidden from view on an
oscilloscope at below 2W which covers most listening. In most SE amps the 2H is usually overwhelmingly
dominant, often being more than 15dB above the levels of any other harmonics, so that where 2H is 0.1%,
3H will be 0.02%, with 4H, 5H being buried in the noise floor of the amp.

Distortion cancelling is frowned upon by some because they say the distortions of a driver tube are
themselves distorted by the output stage thus there is an increasingly complex mixture of THD and IMD
harmonics produced compared to just trying to have a fairly linear driver and normal output tube with fairly
high THD. My approach was build the driver stage so it is naturally linear, and at least no less linear than anyone
else might achieve with resistance dc load. One might deliberately set up the driver tube to generate higher
2H to better cancel 2H of the OP stage, but this is not the best approach. The 2H cancelling I achieve is a
benign by-product, but is not deliberately created.

2H distortion voltage cancellation occurs in every SET amp ever made. Very little is ever said about it, but in
SE triode amps where the output tube is a 300B or 845 without CFB, and where the driver must generate
high Va to power output tube grids, there is a substantial amount of 2H made by the driver triode.
This cancels a portion of the 2H made in output tube. A 300B may have Va = 180Vrms with THD = 6%, and
need 50Vrms at grid from driver triode which may make 3% 2H. The resulting 2H at 300B anode = 6% - 3%
= 3% 2H overall. But if the driver makes some 3H, maybe 0.7%, and 300B makes 1.0%, then total 2H at
output = 1.7%. Usually, triode 3H % is very low at normal listening level.

If anyone wanted to use 4 x 6550 or 4 x EL34, all in triode mode, the max possible Po = 32W from 6550
and 25W from EL34, and there would be similar levels of THD to the SEUL levels shown in the above graph.
In triode mode, there is no need for CFB which becomes ineffective with the low triode gain, about equal to
4dB of FB.

Graph 2. THD vs Vo.

The THD graphs with CFB were measured in 2004 for various values of RL above 3r0. THD is lowest with
loads between 4r0 and 6r0. At 1W for 4r0 or 5r0, 5 ohms THD < 0.032%, This is about 20dB lower than in
most other SE amps where it may be 0.32%. THD with 3r0 is higher, but would be *much* higher than what
is shown if there was no 2H cancellation between the driver and output stages.

The difference of THD between SE35CFB and SEUL 25W 13EI amps can be seen here.....

Graph 3. SEUL and CFB THD compared.

The SEUL amp with one x 13EI tube is a very good sounding amplifier. But like all SE amps, there is
some THD, and it has a typical amount shown above and with about 15dB of applied global NFB.
The SEUL graph would be also typical for many pure DH triode SE amps, or those using triode strapped
pentodes or beam tetrodes which might use say 10dB global NFB.

The SE35CFB also sounds well, perhaps better, but its performance with 5r0 is so much better. At low
Po for most listening. The SE CFB amps have 6 times less THD, and THD which is about the same as a
good PP amp with the same amount of total NFB.

Graph 4. Frequency Response SE35 at full power, 5 ohms, and -6dB, -15dB.

The top graphs show the response of the amp with 5 ohms at clipping, and notice that some bandwidth
limiting occurs at extreme LF and HF, but -3dB points are 14Hz and 32kHz. The responses are with full
amounts of NFB. The top graph has the input filter switch set for zero LF attenuation.

More bandwidth becomes available away from near clipping as shown in the -6dB line, or 9W.

The bottom graph at -15dB low levels show the frequency peaking effects of pure capacitance loads
between 4uF and 0.33uF, along the right side of the -15dB line, and there is virtually no peaking below 20kHz,
showing that the amp can drive any ESL load, and that without any resistance, any pure C load will not cause
HF oscillations. The line without peaking under C peaks is for a pure 5 ohms. The peaking with pure C loads
is considerably reduced if there is also a parallel resistance with capacitance load. The response of the low
pass filter is also shown for different switch positions.

SHEET 2. SE35 PSU.

The above PSU schematic gives close to what is needed for the 2004 and 2011 amplifier schematics.
The PSU does not use tube rectifiers because they do NOT improve the sound.
The CLC B+ filter with C1, L1, C3, C4 will give excellent low noise at the OPT connection = 3.6mVrms,
100Hz even without C2&R1.
This depends on L1 = 1H minimum and it should have Rw < 40r so that heat in L is less than 3W for a
core size of T = 25mm, H = 25mm. The choke may be larger with more L but Rw should be kept < 40r.
The C2 and R1 combine with L1 to make a 100Hz damped parallel resonant network which increases
100Hz
attenuation about -12dB so that with only 1H, Vripple < 1.5mVrms. L1 with C3, C4 have resonance at 5.2Hz,
low enough to not cause too much emphasis of LF mains noise, caused by so many other users switching
electrical gear on and off in your street or apartment block.

Since the original 2004 PSU schematic was drawn, dc has been applied to the 12AX7 if used and 12AU7
input tube heaters to ensure a super low noise floor. There is no need to use DC to the driver stage but
anyone is always free to do this if they like to trim values of series resistors in the schematic.

SHEET 3. Active protection and delayed B+ turn on for SE35.

I repeat text on the schematic :-
DELAY. After turn on there is a slow rise in voltage at C2 fed by current through R2 so that after 25 seconds
current will flow through the 8.2V zener diode and turn the Darlington pair of Q1 and Q2 to quickly close a relay
in series with the HT of the power transformer.

PROTECTION. The four cathode dc voltages are reduced by dividers and each fed through 1N4007 to the
base of emitter follower Q3. If one or more of the Ek cathode bias voltages rises due to increased cathode
current, a sample fraction of Ek is applied through diodes to the base of Q3, which is an emitter follower buffer.
The emitter voltage at Q3 will also rise and if that exceeds the threshold for forward current flow in 3 series red
LED, d6, d7, d8, then the SCR gate voltage will rise enough to latch it on. Once turned on, the SCR stays turned
on regardless of the Ek. And when turned on, the SCR anode has low resistance to 0V thus draining voltage
charge from C2 so that Q1 and Q2 are turned off and relay coil is denied current. Relay points open, thus HT
winding is opened and B+ reduces to near 0V. The d5 red LED is turned on to indicate there is no B+ present.
The EK voltage required to trip the SCR is +27Vdc. Vac at cathodes is filtered away by networks 47k, 15k and
220uF so that AC signals do not trip the SCR. If the amp is turned off at the mains switch, the +18Vdc rail in
the PSU will rapidly reduce to 0V because it is loaded with the low resistance filaments of input tubes.
So then the SCR quickly becomes "unlatched" and the amp may be turned on again to "reset" it. If the SCR is
soon tripped again after the 25second delay then something is wrong with an output tube.

If any output tube misbehaves, there will not be any smoke in your lounge room, or any expensive repairs
to output transformers. The reason for active protection rather than reliance on fuses alone is because if only
one tube were to become saturated with say 300mA of idle current then the mains fuse will not blow.
So the active protection works well before an errant tube can become saturated. The circuit will work when the
Ik current in a single tube rises from the normal 62mA to 100mA.

Since 2006, the protection circuit fitted to SE35 has earned its keep. Owners cannot resist the urge to buy
expensive NOS EL34 which they think sound will better. While this may be the case, some NOS tubes that
have spent perhaps 40 years sitting on a storage shelf may have developed tiny defects in the glass and after
being used for a week, a month, or 6 months, the defect slowly allows air into the tube and the tube loses bias
control and tries to conduct excessive Ia before it finally self destructs, To avoid the pyro-technical display and
collateral amp damage, the amp is turned off well before faults become excessive. Protection also guards
against grid connections to tube sockets going open, owners turning up volume with a shorted speaker lead,
or coupling cap failure.

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